September 24, 2017

States Ban Phosphate-Laden Dishwasher Soap

According to USA Today, July starts a ban in  sixteen states of the sale of dishwasher detergents that contain high levels of phosphates, a source of pollution in lakes and streams.

Stores will not be allowed to sell detergent with more than 0.5 percent phosphorous. The bans do not apply to commercial dishwashing products, and detergents for hand-washing dishes generally contain no phosphorus.

States instituting the rule include Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, New Hampshire, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington and Wisconsin, reports the Associated Press.

Some areas such as Spokane County, Wash., have had such bans in place for years.

“Phosphorous is like a fertilizer. It increases algae and aquatic weed growth in water bodies,” Bernie Duffy, natural resource specialist with the Oregon Department of Environmental Quality, told the AP. He said too much algae depletes oxygen needed for healthy fish and aquatic life.

Sewage treatment plants and private septic systems can remove much but not all of the phosphorous from wastewater, so some of it ends up in lakes, streams and rivers.

As a result of the ban, some familiar brands such as Cascade and Colgate-Palmolive are offering dish soaps with few or no phosphates.

Clorox has launched a Green Works product line that won the endorsement of the Sierra Club and Martha Stewart has developed a low-phosphate “Clean” line with Hain Celestial Brand, reports Environmental Leader, which says eco-friendly brands such as Seventh Generation and Method have gained in popularity.


  1. After reading a lot on the web I have improved the situation 100%……..I bought Finish Jet Dry and Kroger Value dishwashing detergent (still has 2% phosphate) ……’s the old fashioned kind of powder in a box. I also always use the pots and pans cycle for the hotter water. Even my cookie sheets come out like they used to…….:)

  2. Judy…get your facts straight. 1. It would take tons of phosphate to pollute a river or other waterway that naturally replenishes itself. 2. This is just like the arsenic in wood scare. This was a perfectly safe way to pressure treat lumber which was discovered after it was removed from the market. Unless your children are beavers of course. 3. What are you going to do with all those mercury laden light bulbs, You know the ones that are supposed to last longer but so far have been tested to be less efficient.You know of course that there are millions of people in the world…now multiply that by say 20 light bulbs per household once or twice a year. Well, there goes the water table. WAKE UP JUDY…you probably believe Al Gore invented the internet and that this mini Ice age we are experiencing is caused by Global warming.

  3. Well, big brother is protecting us again I see. Cart before the horse, right on schedule. How much more am I harming the environment by washing most everything by hand . . more hot water, more electricity, more gas to heat the hot water. About six months ago I had accidentally let the rinse agent run out on the dishwasher and it really took a toll on everything, particularly noticeable on the glasses. Well, I thought it was the lack of rinse agent and it’s just gotten worse and worse. Oh, and the inside of the dishwasher is like crap now. Rough, dried-out, white film on everything. I’ve used Cascade forever and those sneaky bastards put the ‘phosphate free’ info in small lettering on the back.

    Thank you for the TSP trick, I am getting some this week. Just a heads up on TSP though . . my husband is in the painting business and they still sell TSP n the paint store but it’s phosphate-free. Retarded, I know. Just read the labels to make sure you’re actually getting TSP.

  4. Yes, 2tbsp of Trisodium Phosphate in both detergent cups. I am also told that the phosphates contribute some kind of lubrication to moving parts in dishwashers, and their removal is causing a lot of replacement parts calls. I am going to try lemi shine also this very week.

    The phosphate ban accomplishes nothing in Southern California other than making our dishes nasty. But by all means keep going if it makes some little segway-riding freak who doesnt even own dishes feel the frisson of self-righteousness at someone else’s expense.

    And Judy, people have to come first once in a while. The problem with European-style risk elimination (rather than risk reduction based on political negotiation) is that the regulators cannot be trusted to perform an honest cost-benefit analysis. A practice or a substance is merely deemed evil by self-anointed overseers and the evil must be eliminated whatever the cost. Unintended consequences be damned. And as far as talking points are concerned: Are we really doing this for future fictitious children? Or just to impose the will of a few over the many because it’s fashionable, and besides we don’t do our own dishes anyway(see also, alar in apples, and ugly-ass fluorescent light bulbs)? Just wondering because it seems to me that the most zealous believers in the environmental religion also prefer that most of us not breed, but let the species just die out. So the “future children” argument to me is a red herring at best. More likely we are only saving the world for the snail darter, the hissing cockroach, and of course a few bitter old gray-ponytailed leftists who will someday die in their ever-shrinking communes, wearing their brightly colored patagonia wear, hemp messenger bags and birkenstocks.

  5. Norm,
    I just gave a quick look at the Melaleuca site and they seem to be a lot like Shaklee. How do they compare? The Shaklee dishwasher detergent is terrible. I have used it and it compares to the mess everyone is getting with regular store brands.

  6. Nell,
    I agree, we had the same problems with the shaklee dishwashing soap that you had. When we tried the Melaleuca brand we were extremely skeptical, but when we tested their different products, we found out that their statements about the effectiveness,quality, safety, ect. were actually very reserved or understated. Everything worked better than their claims. Strange company, we were not used to that level of quality. Try it, they have a money back guarantee on everything. Good Luck

  7. Thinking about starting a class action regarding “permanent “damage and discoloration of glass and cook ware.
    Shame on you PROCTOR. AND GAMBLE. for allowing 16 states decide availability for the other 34!!!

  8. After a service call on my 4 year old DW I still am having the white residue. My husband said just to get a new DW so I am so glad to have found this site. BIG QUESTION: Has anyone thought about all of the people who are using their white coated dishes and what we are consuming into our bodies. It can’t be healthy! it tastes like soap! I think it is the soap that is not clearing out during the rinse cycle. Does anyone know what the residue actually is?

  9. I’m surprised that California isn’t one of the states doing this. It’s already difficult to find TSP at hardware stores in CA. You can use it to wash clothes with too. The newer enzyme detergents are the ones that sometimes cause rashes. Installing a water softener will make any dishwasher detergent work better. Phosphates basically soften the water. They aren’t as bad for the environment as we are being led to believe. The companies that make more expensive, and toxic patented chemicals might be lobbying to replace something that’s basically non-toxic and non-patentable like phosphate. Exaggerating the environmental impact is a way of selling it to the public. Meanwhile the federal government mandates the addition of toxic industrial waste source silicofluorides to the water. People just need to wake up, and realize that the people making these decisions aren’t angels.

  10. Meghan Farris says:

    My husband works in the environmental industry and I told him how all my dishes come out looking worse than they went in after I just gave them a simple rinse before loading them in the dishwasher. Spots are only the biginning..white residue, extreme cloudiness to the nth degree..He confirmed what I had heard that phosphates are becoming a banned substance. I read some of the comments about going to Lowes to get TSP and mentioned this to him. His concern is that dishwashers will start being manufactured to not take into account the use of phosphates and therefore things such as seals and gaskets, etc. will be compromised if phosphates are used–especially if you’re cooking up your own recipe..which by the way I was considering myself. A friend recommended a product called Lemi-Shine which is based on citric acid among other things but contains no phosphates. They have a website that I’m going to check out. I bought some at Wal-Mart somewhere in the household cleaning section and just followed the directions on the back and my dishes look great! Maybe this would be a better alternative for everyone instead of shooting craps with adding phosphates on your own. Good luck..and hopefully we can all vote in some people in our government, particularly our federal government, that will leave us the !@#$ alone in 2012!!! Three cheers for state sovereignty!

  11. The September 2010 issue of Consumer Reports discusses this problem at length, offering a listing of the best non-phosphate dishwasher detergents and acknowledging that none do as good a job as those that had phosphates. But here are some points that, among all the previous posts, may have been lost:

    1. Hard water makes the problem worse. My dishwashers (Miele) have built-in water softeners but I have soft water anyway so simply using Finish Powerball Tabs seems to be working for me. But claims that one detergent works better than another may not apply to YOUR local water conditions so experiment.
    2. If you find that your dishes still don’t get clean or you end up with smutz on your glasses even after using the highest-rated Consumer Reports products, try adding a 1/4 teaspoon or more of sodium tri-polyphosphate, NOT TSP! You can find this on-line but the cheapest source I could find was at a local chemical store, $2/pound, sold in one-pound increments. Be aware that too much CAN etch your glassware!
    3. Most folks rinse their dishes clean BEFORE putting them in the dishwasher, notwithstanding that the manuals for EVERY dishwasher made say to simply scrape the food off. And rinsing is often made necessary because few people bother to learn how to load dishes to ensure they’ll get cleaned by the dishwasher. If you’re one who ignores owner’s manuals and are still having dishwasher troubles, why not simply hand-wash all your dishes and use your dishwasher as a place to hide your spouse’s Christmas present?
    4. Lastly, the save-the-planet crowd needs to recognize that sewage treatment facilities CAN remove phosphates from sewage effluent where necessary to protect waterways…but it’s expensive. Rather than pay to do that and recoup the cost by taxing phosphate detergents, the regulators in 16 states simply adopted a ban on phosphate detergents. Manufacturers then felt they had no choice but to remove phosphates from detergents nationwide. It was yet another example of economic illiteracy among regulators trumping rationality. We should be used to it by now.

    Happy dishwashing!

  12. Mark, Centerville Oh says:

    Well, I just bought a new box of Cascade powder…a big one. I thought it odd that the box had changed. Rather than the vibrant green, white, and red, I saw a washed-out chalky green box. I did think much more about it until I ran my first load of dishes using my new box of Cascrud. The dishes came out looking much like the box; washed out, not washed. Glasses were covered with chalk film, knives still had remnants of food on them. Spoons…well, they were filthy. I would like to commend P&G on their dull, lackluster package as it represents how the product performs. I just ordered 2 cases of Cascade with PHOSPHORUS on the net. 12 boxes at the rate I use my dishwasher will last approximately four years. P&G, please contact me as I would like to give a testimonial in one of your commercials: mtskeans@woh.rr

  13. Mark, Centerville Oh says:

    P&G, Corrected email contactfrom previous post. Please contact me for I would like to be in one of your commercials promoting this wonderful product.

  14. Once again…Thank your Liberal Democrats for shoving their faces in EVERYTHING we do! They think they know it all…but couldn’t balance a checkbook if they tried!

  15. I am all for the environment, but like many of you after purchasing another dishwasher and having several arguments with my significant other on pre-washing and overloading the dishwasher that impacted the cleanliness of the dishes. We only discovered the problem was with the soap.

    Our new dishwasher is energy efficient and uses less water combined with the new ineffective soap, our dishes have never been more dirty. Yeah, I think it is great to look after the environment, but passing a law that bans the use phosphates in dishwasher soap does not solve the problem when you don’t have an effective solution. How much have we saved the environment when people replace their dishwasher before they need to, unnecessary service calls because they think the dishwasher was broken or for those resourceful individuals that have found that they can add their own phosphates (some who may not know enough chemistry and add even more than what was available commercially before, some that may use chemicals that are not food grade, etc.)

    So for the environmentalists out there, keep up the good work and promoting the environment but you had better stop short to shoving it down our throats.

    Thank goodness there are still some freedoms available.

  16. Hey, I heard they are going to ban phosphates in fertilizers and gun powder next. That’s all right, we just need to harness all the politicians to fertilize the crops and as for gun powder, there’s always the bow and arrow – guaranteed no phosphates.

  17. Wastewater Operator says:

    Montalvo, I’ve been running sewage treatment plants for 29 years now and your forth point is only somewhat true. The expense to capture the phosphates is minimal in a modern properly run treatment plant. Plus, in most areas, this nutrient is returned to the farm field along with other nutrients in a liquid or cake sludge product. The nutrient value per acre of the sludges I’ve dealt with are in the $80 range. It can be a beneficial cycle.

  18. Well folks, just wait until the complete ban on incandescent light bulbs begins. They take away phosphorus in our dishwashing detergent only to leave us holding the bag with CFC light bulbs. It’s amazing the nanny state is going to trust us with the responsibility of disposing of these freakish bulbs, each of which contains a tiny bit of mercury. To dispose of them, we are supposed to take them to a recycling event (here in the state of Washington) because they are so dangerous to the environment. Most will end up in the regular trash. Not only that, they are being manufactured out of the country where production standards are low. Some of the bulbs burst into flame at the ballast. They don’t really last any longer than incandescent, cost much more and require special handling at disposal. When I heard this newest piece of insanity, I rushed out to buy a couple of cases of good old fashioned incandescent bulbs. When will the Congress stop meddling in minutiae and handle the dire problems like the economy and national security? I am buying some TSP before the jig is up.

  19. Guys..seriously..TRUST ME..try the Lemi-Shine stuff..I’m using it and it works great. You should be able to find it at Target, Wal-Mart, etc. Humor me…for @#$’s and grins go to

  20. Read this article for the incredible story of how this happened!

  21. To get rid of the white film on dishes ect. Try a cup orso of white distilled vinegar. It worked the first time for me.

  22. Icantdrive55 says:

    Thanks to all who have posted here. I’ve read this blog top to bottom several times and tried all the home remedies. I think I’ve done enough experimenting at this point to qualify for the Nobel Prize in chemistry.

    Net result: I still had dirty dishes and put more phosphates into the water treatment system in my town in two weeks than I have in two years, not to mention the wasted water and extra electricity to run the dishwasher 4 billion times. The only good that’s come of this is that I feel I helped the economy by buying a new dishwasher – thereby employing a total 0.24 U.S. workers for about 18 nanoseconds. That translates to 4,629 ‘jobs saved’ in Administration speak, but I digress…

    I am now using the industrial strength formula Cascade with phosphates. Found it online; works great – no vinegar, no TSP, no more dirty dishes, life is back to normal. The funny thing is that my kids (official members of the generation of children for which we are saving the environment) are the ones who are applauding my Cascade procurement the loudest. They see that sometimes the cure is worse than the ill.

  23. Why don’t ya’all just start washing by hand the ones you want to shine and make do with the rest?! OMG there are plenty of other things to be worried and angry about than how clean, spot free your dishes are….get rid of the dishwasher!!! Use a little muscle power and use where you really want to…I see this country so spoiled, so complaining about such trivial stuff, be thankful you even have a dishwasher, and for endeavors to produce green products, what do you want your grandchildren to inherit?! My God, such selfish people, holy cow!

  24. “Environmentalism”:

    Breaking everything that works…by ignoring science, history, and human needs. Self-destructive stupidity on steroids!!!

  25. Boy, am I glad to find out about the dishwashing detergent. I have been washing my dishes by hand for about two weeks after I purchased a new bottle of cascade because of the white film that is all over them. I could not decide whether our watersoftener (we have a well that has very hard water and causes the same problem when our watersoftner disn’t working properly) or the dishwasher was not working properly. I have a repairman coming on Monday for the water softner. Now I am going to try washing my dishes with the TSP and maybe nothing is broken. This is crazy. I think our government is interfering with our lives way too much.


  26. Francine says:

    I had the same problem (in California). I bought the new Cascade and suddenly my dishwasher wasn’t washing. It was actually cleaning but white film from hard water. I paid $120 to have the repairman tell me it was fine, however he had a great product to sell me. I skipped his product and then Dad came to visit from Florida and told me about the lack of phosphates. Mother Earth finally wins one, not that big a deal for me to have filmy dishes. Friend recommended LemiShine and it works perfectly and is just citric acid. You can get cheap citric acid to do the same thing. Dishes are now better than before. I’m wondering why Cascade doesn’t just put citric in its formula????

  27. I’ve been adding between 1/4 & 1/2 teaspoon per load, depending upon the size “dirtiness” of the load. It’s working great!

  28. Try Shaklee. It’s a little more expensive, but it is Phosphate-free and it works because I’ve been using it for years with excellent results. It’s also friendly to the environment. I didn’t even know about this problem until I recently ran out of Shaklee and picked up some Cascade at the store to hold me over until I remembered to order more Shaklee. I, too, thought my dishes and dishwasher were ruined due to the white film. I just placed a new order for my Shaklee and will wash my dishes by hand until it gets here. I hope it’s not too late to save my dishes that were washed with Cascade…

  29. I used Shaklee in the past and thought it was terrible. It didn’t even clean my dishes! Food was still on them when the cycle finished. I had a white residue from it and switched to regular detergent.

  30. Shannon says:

    I just had a ge repairman come out for the same problem. He said I should use 1/4 c of powder detergent and 1/4 c of finish glass magic. Will give it a try and let you know:)

  31. Lemon Juice neutralizes the Limestone residue that is being left on your dishes!

    I have read all these comments and I am appalled. What makes you think that you and your dishes are more important than the fish in your streams and lakes? So basically in case you don’t realize it. If you are now adding TSP. You are EATING it in your food. If you or your friends and family use well water. They are drinking it.
    Lemon juice! Natural product!

  32. Given all the expensive, wasteful and frustrating unintended consequences of the feds “good intentions” of banning phosphates, aren’t you glad they are tackling a problem as “simple” as healthcare reform? After all, what can go wrong?? They’re from the government and they’re only here to help 😉

  33. For Amy on March 8th …. sorry to bust your bubble, but we do it TSP every day. It is approved by FDA in food products…(check out Wikipedia) especially fish. Someone else posted that We need to look for Trisodium Phosphate, not Tripolysodium Phospahte …. it’s all the same thing (check out Wikipedia).
    I was having the same problem with my dishwasher/dishes, too. I have always used TSP for heavy cleaning on my deck and my house vinyl siding so it was handy for an experiment. It really does make the difference, but knowing that 1 molecule of phosphate can create 100 times it’s weight in algae, I stopped adding it to my dishwasher. Instead (there are only 2 of us in the house), I hand wash my dishes in a double sink… I use a FEW grains of TSP in the hot soapy water, and use 1/4 Tsp of bleach (for sanitizing)and a few drops of Jet Dry in the hot rinse water. Dishes look great and I don’t usse any more water than the dishwasher. Also it takes less time than the dishwasher 🙂

  34. I’ve been adding a cup of vinegar in my wash cycle and it seems to be doing a good job. We have hard water and without it, my glasswear looked horrid.

  35. I don’t care much about the enviroment, dishwashing liquid is not the worst by far. But i do care about my 3 small children. Phosphate has been linked with kidney damage and eye and skin irritation. What happens when you heat a candle. Food. Chemicals. Think about it. I don’t want my babies breathing in that stuff. Yes, it is “locked: way in the dishwasher. But what happen when you open that dishwasher door. Everytime I open mine, I get a hot steammy air pushed into my face. As I said, as for the enviroment, dishwashing liquid is the least of our worries. I do not recyle, I use hairspray and I take hour long showers. But as a mother it is my job to protect my children from harmful things. Even if it is dishwashing liquid. My babies are innocent and depend on me So if it means to quit being lazy and get my ass up and wash a few dishes, so they wont be “white” and “not queeky clean” then that is what i’ll do. With no complaint.

  36. A coffee-scoop full of Savogran brand TSP (about two tablespoons) in the bottom of the dishwasher, plus a squirt of new, wimpy liquid detergent in the regular detergent cup, seems to work just fine.

    Those with greenie tendencies might want to just start with a scoopful, then back off a little till you hit your personal shiny-squeeky-dishes sweet spot.

  37. I’ve been adding a scant 1/2 tsp of TSP with my useless new Cascade and it works great. I’m trying to get up my courage to cut back to 1/4 tsp. If I remember correctly TSP used to be a listed ingredient on dishwasher detergent boxes, so it doesn’t worry me.

  38. The answer to a FAQ on Cascade’s website (FAQS, Sustainability) states that phosphate from automatic dishwashing accounts for less than 3% of phosphate in the environment. Wonder why the phosphate from the other 97% of sources isn’t banned? Could it be that we consumers are the only affected group without a lobbyist?

  39. FYI: TSP is NOT the kind of phosphate used in dishwasher detergents. The kind you want is Sodium Tripolyphosphate, which, as far as I know, is still available in products like Finish Glass Magic. Or you can buy it directly from a chemical supply.

    It’s also approved as a food additive (yikes)…

    Theoretically, TSP should not be doing much of anything for your dishes but if it seems to be working then I guess that’s all that counts. 🙂

  40. This is the same as when the auto industry had to switch over to less efficient AC years ago because of the environment. In an older vehicle you can turn on the AC and nearly freeze to death. Newer vehicles it only makes the vehicle slightly cooler in the cabin.

  41. Hi all, I knew it would come to this! OK, for everyone using the TSP… I did the math and you should only be using 1-2 teaspoons of it in a load. That is the equivalent of using a 4% phosphate detergent. If you are using more, you are making the problem worse than it was before. I believe Cascade was a 5% formulation and the lower costing ones were 4%. (I used to read the box because I am truly a geek.)

  42. Inger Grape says:

    What a wealth of information and help–thank you all! All of a sudden my life as I knew it had changed. Instead of getting going with my day in the morning, I had to spend a half hour, at least, hand-scrubbing everything that the dishwasher was supposed to leave clean. Because everything was covered with a layer of dirt and grime that had to be SCRUBBED off EACH piece–they were dirtier than when I put them in! (I do have very hard water.) Cascade the way it is now is a disaster–this is grounds for a class-action lawsuit. My husband took apart parts of the dishwasher, and there was a thick layer of what looked like a paste of partially dissolved detergent. I will not let that stuff come near my dishwasher. Lots of TSP did not help.

    WHAT IS WORKING: The Finish tablets are a far superior product and would at least get the bottom shelf spanking clean. On the top shelf, I could only put a few plates in the center, nothing like cups or glasses, and only a few small plates, and even they would often be dirty after a cycle. But I could load the bottom to the max and everything would come clean there. At least I had half a dishwasher, which is better than none.

    Then I thought to add the water softener I use for my laundry, White King brand, 2 Tbs as recommended on the package, and, voila! the top shelf came clean too! (I do use rinse agent.) Only you folks who are reading all this can understand how excited I am.

  43. Ok, so I’m late to the discussion, but I too was trying to figure out why my dishes weren’t getting clean. Thanks for the tip about TSP. BTW for you who are worried I’m not “green” I recycle all of my clothes washing water (both soapy and rinse) out to my garden. My veggies LOVE it!

  44. Thanks for the tip on the TSP, I am heading to Lowe’s tomorrow for a pallet. I am so tired of my tax dollars going toward more of what I cannot do after working so hard to enjoy the little bit I can. I live in California and I would really like to see my tax dollars go toward research and development, instead of finding another way to run another company out of our state and into yours. California really has their head up their butt thinking they are going to “Fix the World” with being the leader of “Green Jobs.” California is slowly returning to the desert it once was. Without jobs and intelligent people making intelligent decisions, we will soon wish we had people living here. Al Gore and his lies are a a bigger threat then my dishwasher phosphates.

  45. I have found all these comments interesting since I haven’t had any noticeable changes in the cleanliness of my dishes or any white residue. While reading I thought maybe I hadn’t yet purchased the phosphate free products, so I wrote down some of the remedies used, then I checked my detergent. It IS PHOSPHATE FREE, and since I just ran my dishwasher, I checked my dishes more closely. I don’t see any problem. Maybe our water is softer or maybe it’s the specific detergent I’m using–not sure. Anyway, I’ve been using: Cascade ActionPacs, Shine Sield Formula with Dawn, Citrus Scent (they are orange and there is a picture of and orange on the bag). Maybe this formula works because of the shine shield contents or it might contain citric acid (which was mentioned earlier to help). Give it a try–good luck!

  46. Victoria says:

    I have discovered “LimeFresh” at Sears Canada and works as a dishwashing detergent booster.
    Works great and I no longer have to hand wash my dishes and can use my dishwasher once again. They also have a web site for the U.S. market “”

  47. charlie says:

    I have all the probs you all talked about the white stuff on all my dishes. Use lemi shine from publix. Cleaned all the white stuff from all my glasses and plastics. Super stuff 3 bucks or so use with phosphate free soap also it’s phosphate free. Now i’m back to crystal clear glasses again!

  48. If anyone is wanting a product that will clean your dishes without the Phosphates contact me. I am a distributor of a product line called Legacy of Clean. This is an Amway product that has been around for almost 50 years. I love the Dish Drops, they clean my dishes better then any Phosphate loaded product. If you dont beilive me try them out. Give me an email and i can help you order some. Also there is a 90 money back guarantee on all Amway products so if you order the Dish Drops and do not like the results send it back and get your money back.

  49. Why ban this product? I looked up studies, and the results seemed varied and inconclusive.

    But lets give the benefit of the doubt to environmentalists, and say that phosphates destroy the environment. Rather than ban them, shouldn’t we just improve our sewage treatment technology? Isn’t that what the government is supposed to do after all?

    People, wake up. Rather than do its job, the government is forcing the private sector to abandon a successful product which lowers the standard of living, forcing companies to divert resources into making a new product again. The government does this because it is too lazy to improve its own infrastructure which is supposed to help us in the first place.

    We may as well have banned human waste instead of developing sewage systems. This is a joke; we have to face rising prices and lower quality products. That’s the government for ya.

  50. Robert says:

    Mimi said:

    Mimi on Feb 4th, 2011 at 8:54 am
    …Kroger Value dishwashing detergent (still has 2% phosphate)…

    I was googling for a store that sells bulk TSP to do some outside cleaning and found this link. BTW: (HD nearby 72 oz for $9.95). I saw these posts about dirty dishes after the law was enacted to reduce phosphate in home detergents. I thought… “our dishes come out of the machine VERY clean, what’s the problem?”

    It turns out we use Kroger Value… Mimi’s correct, 2% phosphate is listed in the label. Also, we have a water softener. Clean dishes and clothes! Big water bill, though…